( his smile reads bold of you to assume they would take me alive from one corner of his mouth to the other, not because any part of this is laughable.
none of his experience with his grown son has been hilarious from learning how he grew up isolated from felicity and mia to them both being sucked into this alternate reality. it's as close as he'll get to threatening the sin guards this close to them. )
I can handle the Down. ( the problem it presents is that william won't rest about it, he'll keep finding ways to visit oliver, to prove that if it's not okay for both of them, it shouldn't be okay for either of them. it's frustrating ( and endearing ) that he knows that willpower carried. ) But if it keeps you from venturing there, we can both find work. I was trying to set something up with a boxing gym, training beginners. I can keep looking along those lines and see if anything else comes up. It wouldn't only be up to you, although, you'd probably have to approve my itinerary.
( his eyes read you'd resurrect in jail right back. )
I'd approve it.
( Probably. He'd hope. Their boundaries still aren't clear, what they should know, or not know. What his father does vs what he does. If his father gets work, then he gets work. )
Or, I just have to sign something saying you can. I guess we should find out what's new. We should do this now, shouldn't we? How long did you give yourself in the Up?
We're already here. ( the sooner they get the paperwork sorted, the less he has to do a mental inventory of how many arrows he has left in his quiver. the warehouse space he once had in the down as a makeshift headquarters is long gone now ( and it had never been quite up to bunker standards ). ) Two hours. I wouldn't be shocked if they only approved one.
( uncontracted and virtually less than human? he should glance at the app. )
But we have a little bit of time to iron out the details. We don't have to rush down there and sign it now unless you want to. We can sleep on it? ( he's used to crushing himself to fit in uncomfortable spaces of which signing a contract to be "owned" by his son is definitely one. he despises it here. ) Think about what stipulations we need included so that we aren't rushing and we don't leave any rock unturned.
Okay. Back to your apartment or somewhere closer? ( he'll take the lead out of habit, expecting william to fall in stride. if they need to alter where they're going in the app, he will. in the mean time, he's moving along for the sake of getting away from the crowd. long gone is the notion of privacy, he imagines whether they pick a coffee shop or william's place, someone will be monitoring them. )
I trust you. I don't think either one of us would omit something on purpose, but I know they'll find a way to twist the situation if it's not in writing.
Closer. I don't want any close calls with your reported time.
( is he overthinking it, he is. but, he needs to learn how to take the lead, at least in public. this will be a democracy, but they will get proper actions in writing. some stipulations he already thinks about as he steps out of line and walks his father back into the Up leaving the checkpoint behind.
with his mind always moving a mile a minute, william posts something to the network. )
I asked the network. They've been here longer than me, and longer than you, probably even with your first time, and maybe they can be of help. I don't want to miss anything.
( and while he waits, he spots a nice cafe on the corner, he looks both ways and hurries over, speed-walking to the other side. )
( as humbled as he's been before, he gives william a cautionary glance at mention of consulting the network. his reconnaissance is more to the point than oliver is usually capable of, often preferring to struggle his way to learning the ropes. he was considering more like bullet pointing their main concerns and stressing the nature of their relationship, repeatedly with bold underlines. )
It's smart. They might be able to save us some trouble. ( they might not have to endure something that someone else suffered. he crosses swiftly, stepping up onto the curb after william. )
I hadn't thought about it but now that you mention it, I'm starving. This place is as good as any. ( he goes to hold the door and it ends up holding it for what feels like a stampede of couples. ) We'll order, grab a table, and see if anyone has any input before we get started.
( that's in his plan, too. that's the crux of his plan. but, he needs to know if this has been done before. )
And we have public record of me learning how to follow the rules properly.
( It's flimsy, but it might hold up in... well, a regular court.
William waits as Doms and Subs, a group of them, take advantage of his father's politeness. )
Yeah...
( He waits one more second, making sure nobody else leaves before entering first. The host takes note of the line running down his father's neck and the lack of one down his. So, he speaks in a rigid, un-William-like tone to lower all suspicion. He needs to play along. He waits and gestures for his Dad to follow the host, giving the silent 'order' before they're left to their own devices.
William, literally. )
Okay, so, it's been done before. Twins. And someone - who contracted to someone who was like their father. Which, okay. Specific contracts. Sex is not a ( He clears his throat. ) requirement. That's - we'll put that in bold. It's off limits.
( those very same rules that keep them both out of harm's way, mhm. he's attempting to listen. he's here, isn't he? he's suppressing the grief that he's never going to see his wife again in his lifetime because this was it. this was their one horrific window. he loves william enough to put it aside in a box compartmentalized like his many traumas, but the part of him that cares about staying in line is having trouble remembering why.
it's okay because he gets to be silent out of respect, speaking when spoken to, and william is semi-distracted with firing off responses anyway until they're seated and oliver can stop acting like a soldier, rigid and obedient. )
Under no circumstances, that's a given. You might want to include that you can have relations with whoever you want outside of the contract, aside from the regular implication to avoid other dominants. You'd think it would be assumed here but I don't want to give them ammunition for citations.
So that's sex and living arrangements. Whatever I own would be yours by default, which would be true enough at home. I'm fine with that.
Yeah, you can also have any relations, literally, since you're a sub, so, that's done. Easy. I give you permission to work, to use the money I give you and to earn your own money.
( He pauses, setting his phone down and sitting back. )
What else, what are some other categories we're not thinking of? We have to cover everything.
Travel between the Up and Down, although that's mostly for me. They won't be as strict with you. ( those are the most obvious categories. oliver went right up to the edge of his first contracting period before he signed with wynonna. between coming and going from the city, he doesn't have an expansive portfolio of experience to draw him. felicity would have. )
Behavior? Punishment? I think we both know if we could put it in the agreement, I would accept all physical consequences for either of our actions. That's not really how they like it here. Everything reflects on both of us.
How does the dynamic work? That's likely going to be what they're looking for. How am I ... serving ( his expression does a little twinge, he's human ) you? How else are you responsible for me? That sort of language. ( frankly, it gives him a headache and makes him uncomfortable. he should be providing for william. )
Any time you want. I'm not going to restrict where and when you go.
( He wants to restrict him being the Green Arrow but that would imply rebellion. They will have to come to a personal understanding, that they have to play a longer con if they want to make the difference they need to until he can get more answers.
He hates that self sacrificing side of his father, it brings him back to being a little kid. )
First, I can't let you take every physical punishment because not every punishment here is physical. It's about character. It's realignment. So, they'll either assign you to a Sub to teach you how to properly sub or to a Dom who will DOM you. So, we share in that. Besides, I think, if you do something, I get hit, too. It's - me taking responsibility. Your... mine. ( He grimaces. ) I will pay for any indiscretions, however. If there are fines, I will take care of them, now you. And, let's -- put in normal father-son stuff. Dinner once a week. Sundays. It's a holy day - unless we're not ourselves. We talk several times a day. We text. Either-or. It all counts. We communicate.
( He hesitates. )
We don't lie. I know you keep things close to your chest, and I'm not going to ask you to suddenly be an open book, but just don't lie to me. I know what you do. I know who you are. When the time comes, let me help. ( He pauses. ) We won't put that in.
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Date: 2021-05-19 06:19 am (UTC)none of his experience with his grown son has been hilarious from learning how he grew up isolated from felicity and mia to them both being sucked into this alternate reality. it's as close as he'll get to threatening the sin guards this close to them. )
I can handle the Down. ( the problem it presents is that william won't rest about it, he'll keep finding ways to visit oliver, to prove that if it's not okay for both of them, it shouldn't be okay for either of them. it's frustrating ( and endearing ) that he knows that willpower carried. ) But if it keeps you from venturing there, we can both find work. I was trying to set something up with a boxing gym, training beginners. I can keep looking along those lines and see if anything else comes up. It wouldn't only be up to you, although, you'd probably have to approve my itinerary.
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Date: 2021-05-19 06:27 am (UTC)I'd approve it.
( Probably. He'd hope. Their boundaries still aren't clear, what they should know, or not know. What his father does vs what he does. If his father gets work, then he gets work. )
Or, I just have to sign something saying you can. I guess we should find out what's new. We should do this now, shouldn't we? How long did you give yourself in the Up?
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Date: 2021-05-20 09:08 pm (UTC)( uncontracted and virtually less than human? he should glance at the app. )
But we have a little bit of time to iron out the details. We don't have to rush down there and sign it now unless you want to. We can sleep on it? ( he's used to crushing himself to fit in uncomfortable spaces of which signing a contract to be "owned" by his son is definitely one. he despises it here. ) Think about what stipulations we need included so that we aren't rushing and we don't leave any rock unturned.
( there will be ZERO loopholes. )
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Date: 2021-05-20 09:29 pm (UTC)I think, what they approved is what they approved, but we should use whatever time you have.
( William still holds his phone in his hand, nodding. Details that need ironing. That's right. )
Yeah. Smart. Let's go somewhere then, try to talk through what we think might be missed. So, we don't.
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Date: 2021-05-20 09:59 pm (UTC)I trust you. I don't think either one of us would omit something on purpose, but I know they'll find a way to twist the situation if it's not in writing.
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Date: 2021-05-20 10:07 pm (UTC)( is he overthinking it, he is. but, he needs to learn how to take the lead, at least in public. this will be a democracy, but they will get proper actions in writing. some stipulations he already thinks about as he steps out of line and walks his father back into the Up leaving the checkpoint behind.
with his mind always moving a mile a minute, william posts something to the network. )
I asked the network. They've been here longer than me, and longer than you, probably even with your first time, and maybe they can be of help. I don't want to miss anything.
( and while he waits, he spots a nice cafe on the corner, he looks both ways and hurries over, speed-walking to the other side. )
How about here. You must be hungry.
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Date: 2021-05-20 10:18 pm (UTC)It's smart. They might be able to save us some trouble. ( they might not have to endure something that someone else suffered. he crosses swiftly, stepping up onto the curb after william. )
I hadn't thought about it but now that you mention it, I'm starving. This place is as good as any. ( he goes to hold the door and it ends up holding it for what feels like a stampede of couples. ) We'll order, grab a table, and see if anyone has any input before we get started.
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Date: 2021-05-20 10:33 pm (UTC)And we have public record of me learning how to follow the rules properly.
( It's flimsy, but it might hold up in... well, a regular court.
William waits as Doms and Subs, a group of them, take advantage of his father's politeness. )
Yeah...
( He waits one more second, making sure nobody else leaves before entering first. The host takes note of the line running down his father's neck and the lack of one down his. So, he speaks in a rigid, un-William-like tone to lower all suspicion. He needs to play along. He waits and gestures for his Dad to follow the host, giving the silent 'order' before they're left to their own devices.
William, literally. )
Okay, so, it's been done before. Twins. And someone - who contracted to someone who was like their father. Which, okay. Specific contracts. Sex is not a ( He clears his throat. ) requirement. That's - we'll put that in bold. It's off limits.
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Date: 2021-05-21 02:14 am (UTC)it's okay because he gets to be silent out of respect, speaking when spoken to, and william is semi-distracted with firing off responses anyway until they're seated and oliver can stop acting like a soldier, rigid and obedient. )
Under no circumstances, that's a given. You might want to include that you can have relations with whoever you want outside of the contract, aside from the regular implication to avoid other dominants. You'd think it would be assumed here but I don't want to give them ammunition for citations.
So that's sex and living arrangements. Whatever I own would be yours by default, which would be true enough at home. I'm fine with that.
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Date: 2021-05-21 02:24 am (UTC)( He pauses, setting his phone down and sitting back. )
What else, what are some other categories we're not thinking of? We have to cover everything.
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Date: 2021-05-21 02:57 am (UTC)Behavior? Punishment? I think we both know if we could put it in the agreement, I would accept all physical consequences for either of our actions. That's not really how they like it here. Everything reflects on both of us.
How does the dynamic work? That's likely going to be what they're looking for. How am I ... serving ( his expression does a little twinge, he's human ) you? How else are you responsible for me? That sort of language. ( frankly, it gives him a headache and makes him uncomfortable. he should be providing for william. )
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Date: 2021-05-21 03:15 am (UTC)( He wants to restrict him being the Green Arrow but that would imply rebellion. They will have to come to a personal understanding, that they have to play a longer con if they want to make the difference they need to until he can get more answers.
He hates that self sacrificing side of his father, it brings him back to being a little kid. )
First, I can't let you take every physical punishment because not every punishment here is physical. It's about character. It's realignment. So, they'll either assign you to a Sub to teach you how to properly sub or to a Dom who will DOM you. So, we share in that. Besides, I think, if you do something, I get hit, too. It's - me taking responsibility. Your... mine. ( He grimaces. ) I will pay for any indiscretions, however. If there are fines, I will take care of them, now you. And, let's -- put in normal father-son stuff. Dinner once a week. Sundays. It's a holy day - unless we're not ourselves. We talk several times a day. We text. Either-or. It all counts. We communicate.
( He hesitates. )
We don't lie. I know you keep things close to your chest, and I'm not going to ask you to suddenly be an open book, but just don't lie to me. I know what you do. I know who you are. When the time comes, let me help. ( He pauses. ) We won't put that in.